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> There was Delphi that's so different it's an entirely different > language... It's not so entirely different IMO. AFAICT, it's more like the difference between C and C++ I think. > I don't think many people would call it Pascal. Funny you should think so. Actually there was quite a riot in the community when Borland announced that from Delphi 7 onwards, the language itself (in addition to the product) will be called "Delphi" instead of "Object Pascal" as was the case in all previous releases. Most Delphians definitely were proud of the Pascal heritage and didn't want to see it hushed up for whatever reasons. > I'd try it but $1000 is rather a > lot for an experiment... I agree. The lack of a middle-ground SKU is by far the biggest problem with Delphi. But it's unfortunately no use arguing about changing pricing schemes and marketing strategies with a company that's been increasingly profitable for the last 2,5 years... :( Oliver ----------------------- JID: ogiesen at jabber.org ICQ: 18777742 (http://wwp.icq.com/18777742)