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Hello Tony, when ever I try to update against cvsnt.org, I get messages like the following for almost every renamed file: cvs server: cvsgui.c has been renamed to cvsgui.cpp cvs update: cvsgui.c not in entries file? cvs update: unable to rename ./cvsgui.c: No such file or directory P cvsgui/Makefile.am P cvsgui/Makefile.in P cvsgui/cvsgui.cpp cvs [update aborted]: patch original file cvsgui/cvsgui.cpp does not exist so what? Client: Concurrent Versions System (CVSNT) 2.0.60 (Prerelease Nov 9 2004) (client/server) Server: Concurrent Versions System (CVSNT) 2.0.61 (Prerelease Nov 17 2004) (client/server) -- Best regards, Richard mailto:r.wirth at wirthware.de