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Running on windows 2000 sp2 ( client and server), using torise client 1.8.13 cvsnt 2.5.01 build 1976 Not sure if this is client related or server. But if a file timestamp shows it as new but the file is not changed we get an erroneous error message. To create the problem open a file in wordpad, add a space to a line save it, delete the space save it, try to commit and the error is Error, CVS operation failed Tortoise Tip: Someone else has committed a new version of one or more of the files you are trying to commit. You need to do a CVS Update and then try to commit again. Make an actual change to the file ( i.e add another space) save it, and it commits ok. I was wondering if there is a way to force the server to allow commits with no changes. Its easy to cause this scenario if a file is copied over itself. Or with certain ide undo features. Thanks in advance for any help. Jeffrey J Gaer LTCR Cares C/S Specialist 438-4264 / MC - 723 Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. Voltaire French author, humanist, rationalist, & satirist (1694 - 1778)