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It seems like recursion doesn't with commands like rlog and ls at all with modules2 modules For example with the modules2 definition [_test] Source\Test [_prototypes] Source\Prototypes [_source] _test _prototypes [_geobuild] _source the command following commands produce no output cvs rlog _source cvs rlog _geobuild but the following commands produce the expected output cvs rlog _test cvs rlog _prototypes If anybody knows how to get the first 2 commands to work I'd very much appreciate it. As for CruiseControl.NET hammering the server we've been using it for about 9 months now and haven't had a problem. It's pretty configurable and we've set it up to only check the server every 10 minutes or so. It's one of the best things we ever did. It provides a lot more functionality than just building when things change that I can't imagine a cvs make feature providing. Matt S.